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I could say the same things about folks like you being delusional, and I do. Things are fine. They’re better than fine.

Sorry that you feel so hysterical about them all the time.





You could say that, because anyone can say anything, but you'd just be wrong.

Obviously, "fine" is subjective. Serial killers are just fine with eating Cheez-its out of a bowl crafted from a human skull.

But when the topmost officials are routinely doing very illegal things, we have at least some metric - they're illegal. When they just gloss over the illegal things they're doing, that's bad.

People are really missing the broader context of CECOT and the trump administration as a whole. Who cares if a few hundred not-criminals get tortured overseas? That's a statistical drop in the bucket.

And it is, but the broader implication is what matters. The implication that due process is merely a suggestion, the implication that this administration does not give even a single fuck about the american people, the implication that suffering is a price this administration is willing to pay for a prize they cannot quantify.

Whether these things are happening or not is, again, not up for debate. The debate shifts to apathy. Do you care about America or it's citizenry? Or, in a pursuit of correctness, are you willing to burn it all down?

Such foolishness, selfishness, and naivety is only observed in very young children. Those with developed brains under the cost of actions, and their lasting effects.


> Whether these things are happening or not is, again, not up for debate.

Of course it is. And when, in a few years, everything is fine, the sky hasn’t fallen, and in fact we’re doing better — you’ll just be shrieking about whatever the next thing is you’ve been told to be upset about.

> Those with developed brains under the cost of actions, and their lasting effects.

Is this the reddit-tier self-congratulatory slop that passes as an argument in your circles?


Well you ignored my entire argument, so me implying you're stupid worked out, didn't it?

To reiterate my argument, which you have reinforced: the question is NOT are these things happening, because they just are. So we won't debate it.

The question is what are the lasting effects. Which you actually alluded to right here:

"And when, in a few years, everything is fine, the sky hasn’t fallen, and in fact we’re doing better — you’ll just be shrieking"

See, so you DO understand that these things are happening. Where we disagree is the lasting effects, the implications.

You believe our president fucking the American people up the ass doesn't matter, or is secretly a good thing. As I've said, apathy, or naivity - the sight of a goal with no understanding of its cost or even it's gain.

I can become the richest person on Earth by killing everyone else. But what value did I create? None, I only destroyed value. That's the separation between a goal and it's cost and it's path.

You're probably thinking "well I know that, even a child understands that", but evidently you don't, or the cognitive dissonance is so strong you're willing to override everything you've ever known in pursuit of correctness.

Even if you're right, at what cost does it come? What will the world be worth when law no longer matters, when we have a monarch? Even if you like the monarch, will serfdom make you happy?

This is not me being melodramatic. As we've both already established, laws are being broken, and due process is being thrown out. A few broken eggs, no?

But it's not about the broken eggs and it never has been. Those are a canary. The broken eggs get useful idiots like yourself to advocate against your own best interests. To advocate that it's okay to break the rules, so long as you win. But what you're really saying when you say that is that you plan on winning forever. Very bold, no? Very naive, no?




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