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It really comes down to valuation.

The unit of account for tax is the currency of the relevant sovereign. Most contracts for income are denominated in that unit of account, even if it is not there is often a highly liquid market (FX) between units of account.

Most wealth is not stored in assets where the unit of account is that of the sovereign. This counts double for assets with a physical location.

This isn't something that can be easily hand-waived away.





I don't get it. Can you explain in simpler terms?

My understanding is that you say that taxing things denominated in a foreign currency is difficult? But why? I already pay taxes on my capital gains denominated in a foreign currency (for example dollars). There are official government exchange rates for tax reasons, published daily. I don't see anything to hand wave here, because there's no problem.


Not parent-poster, but I imagine the most difficult cases involve non-public stocks or non-fungible physical assets. Consider the problem of: "Someone purchased an irreplaceable ancient urn for $1m and put their parents ashes in it, what's that in taxable wealth today?"

It's too easy for people to offer hypothetical prices they'll never have to execute on. You could establish a price by forcing people to sell anything to the highest bidder, but that kinda explodes any conventional idea of property, and now the government is spending all its time running a trillion sketchy auctions while no human has time to do productive work anymore because your neighbor is trying to buy your car for $1 and you need to arrange a more-plausible offer before you lose it.


The million dollar earn is a fantastic example.

Apologies, in an attempt to be precise I have used convoluted language.

The point I'm trying to make is that assets such as land are not denominated in any currency and typically end up being held for such large amounts of time with such substantial transaction costs that's there would be a large cost involved in knowing what the value of the thing being taxed is.

If I pay you $100k, £100k or ¥100k we can use spot rates to work out how many € that is within much less than 1%.

If I own a piece of land how would you answer the question, "what should the value for taxation be?"

If you go with the last transaction price then this will have a substantial impact on properties that haven't been sold for a long time and encourage people to enter into transactions that look like sales but aren't (such a 999-year lease).

Leave it up to a government agency to decide and this agency will come under huge pressure to favour one type of activity over another. How do you value land owned by the government? What if that land is privatised? The UK's attempts to deal with this when it privatised BT completely destroyed the fibre to the premises industry in the UK for years.


Thank you! That makes perfect sense. I admit my financial vocabulary is lacking.

I completely agree you then. I think people arguing for wealth tax severely underestimate how many edge cases and loopholes there are.




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