> That the continuity that the human race has maintained is based on a conservative values.

Huh? The human race progresses because of the 10% that drag the other 90% out of the muck into a better future, screaming and resisting every step of the way.

> All of the shmabolic things you mention as conservative failures are what I'm complaining about it. I don't see them as conservative values because they cost us all more money and waste resources. The examples you provide I don't accept as conservative.

So defend conservatism. List some values you think you can defend. Not wishy washy abstract stuff, really practicable stuff you think should be implemented.

Just because only 10% of the people participate in progress doesn't register to me as germane to conservative values or definitions.

I don't feel I have been overly abstract or wishy washy. I think we are discussing abstract ideals.

Understanding proposed changes to a current working environment I consider a conservative value.

Curiosity about long term costs and effects of decisions I consider a conservative value.

Conservation of resources I consider conservative values.

I truly believe we won't come to a common understanding. I'm curious about your age as I wonder about our experiences. I was born in 1968.

> Understanding proposed changes to a current working environment I consider a conservative value.

> Curiosity about long term costs and effects of decisions I consider a conservative value.

> Conservation of resources I consider conservative values

Those sound like good things to me.

They also don't sound like anything a republican politician has advocated for during my life time.

If you want to split the hair of republican vs conservative you are, of course, free to do so, but I doubt a whole lot of other people will really understand what you mean.

I think there's a lot to be said for asking why something should be changed and what will happen when you do, chesteron's fence style, but it's all too easy for that attitude to mask a position that's not actually willing to change.

Gay marriage is a pretty easy example. You certainly can, and probably should, ask why change it, but the vast, vast, vast majority of the people actually asking that type of question have no actual intention, or perhaps even ability, to change their opinion based on the answer they receive.

I think people with your view hold humanity back and do more damage than good. That's all I have to say on the matter. Have a great day.

I think lack of curiosity and the compartmentalize of others is actually the biggest problem we face.