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Does your "worth it for society as a whole" account for people like my son who have moved extremely right as a result of it (and he is someone who previously did city year volunteering to help inner city youth with their schooling)? I think the motivations are good, but like lots of things driven by good intentions I personally am not happy with the outcome (I want my old son back).


I think proponents don't even understand the basics of relationships, which is surprising since these ideas stem mostly from fields that generally tend to have a focus here.

It is like they want to apply the handbook of toxic middle management. If you want to create strive in your minions, provide benefits to one group while disadvantaging the other. They will hate each other more than they will hate you and you can reign supreme.

This is usually basic psychology or at least it is proved to work.

Universal humanism also empirically works better than what DEI proposes. DEI gratifies self-important people to elevate themselves and their ideas above others and little else. None of them would step back to be an example, so they are probably dishonest too.

If people dislike it, which many do, it is usually correct and not due some made up bias.


Your argument is basically

- Group 1 is doing well

- Group 2 is doing poorly, because the system works in favor of group 1

- We should NOT try to balance things (lift up group 2 at the cost of group 2) in the short term so that things are more balanced in the long term

- Because doing so would upset Group 1

See, the thing is... Group 2 is _already_ upset; and rightfully so. I'd rather see both groups of people somewhat upset then one group happy and the other _more_ upset. Honestly, that's pretty much a cliche description of what a compromise is.


No, that is not my argument and you don't understand the relationship dynamic. Group 1 would be justifiably upset because they aren't treated as equals to group 2.

You are completely free to provide benefits for the poorest as well.

If you see yourself in group 1, you are very free to take a step back. We both know you don't, you expect that from others.

Neither "balance" nor "long term goals" are in any way defined, you just use random discrimination, which is of course negative between a bunch of negative ideas.

You also draw lines between these group 1 + 2.


Your son did not adopt toxic right wing ideology because of DEI. Your son adopted toxic right wing ideology because he grew up in a society that exudes it at every step, and because right wing ideology is the cheetos of ideology. It's easy and

The entire young male community right now has circled the wagons around "woke" hatred, which is really funny, because they should see the media I grew up with! Imagine someone saying catching AIDS isn't a personal failing in the 80s! Yet the Golden Girls is considered top quality entertainment. But no, suddenly we have to pretend that the same people who insisted Rock N Roll was hypnotizing our children are suddenly correct that making a movie about a trans person will hypnotize our children into being trans?

The mountains of kids insisting that what "gamers" want is hypersexualized boobs with eyes is awful. They don't know history either, like when Mass Effect 2 was lampooned for giving it's "genetically perfect" female character extremely visible camel toe, and placing a cinematic camera up her butt crack.

Samus Aran is from 1986. And fucking Japan. GI Jane got so much hatred in the 90s. Why are we still doing this?

>I want my old son back

Then why don't you be the parent? Why don't you help your son understand the parts of right wing propaganda that are blatantly false? Why don't you help your son understand what women experience? Why don't you help him see the rhetorical trickery and lies of people like the Fresh and Fit podcast? Why don't you help him understand how to properly research controversial topics like that? Or help him understand how rhetoric in the News might not be an accurate narrative? Or have you ever talked to him about Gell-Mann amnesia?

I want my brother back from 30 years of indoctrination about how the reason he struggles is because of black people going to college, instead of him slacking off and not caring about school. When a Mainer who dropped out of community college flies the fucking Confederate battle flag in 2009, you don't get to blame DEI. I want him back from a century of indoctrination that kids would stop being shot at school if only it was easier to buy a rifle, or that my 65 year old mom who has no interest in being a cop should be made to carry a firearm to shoot one of her students.

Why is it always the democrat's fault for what republicans do?




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