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No, it was not "pretty much the same" as Dropbox.

Megaupload took steps to specifically support piracy. When a movie studio would report a pirated copy of one of their movies, Megaupload would tell the studio they removed it but in reality they would only make it so the specific link the studio new about would stop working. They would not delete the underlying file and any other links would continue to work.

This failure to remove the underlying file was not a technical limitation. When child porn was reported they were able to kill the reported link and the underlying file, thus breaking all links to it.



Is that alleged or proven? Because the law does no require you to take down a file and the make sure that file is not uploaded by someone else. In fact all it requires is you to take it down if you're hosting it, so if someone else uploads a file they would have to notify you of that file as well for the simple fact that it may actually now be the rightsholder uploading it.


I was talking about Megaupload vs. MEGA.

>This failure to remove the underlying file was not a technical limitation.

This, and the rest of your comment makes sense in 2024, but not around 2010.

Back then:

* All file sharing platforms had this exact problem. This was the problem at the time. You were even able to find full length movies on YouTube quite easily. They were eventually removed, but it was a long, manual and tedious process. Even today, this is still not completely solved.

* Most of these companies (including the "good ones"™ like YouTube) thrived under this (unlawful) sharing of copyrighted content. Measures against it were being actively developed and tested and there was a big backslash from the platform's users as they were being introduced, i.e. it wasn't an armchair software engineer's "easy problem". When these platforms incorrectly labeled and removed content due to copyright infringement, it was a bit of a scandal, with many of these events reaching the news and people boycotting platforms and threatening lawsuits.

* Piracy was huge compared to today, torrents were almost the norm. Not trying to justify it, just trying to put in context what internet users used the internet for. If we are fair, Kim was not the one uploading the restricted content to Megaupload, neither encouraging it. The "market" was there, with or without Megaupload. I would even go as far as to suggest a wild point of view where Megaupload was actually a victim of piracy as well.

* A lot of legislation around this was not in place and/or mature enough. Some landmark cases around Section 230 were just starting to take shape. It was not black or white clear whether a platform should be responsible for its content or not and what are the legal requirements for them to address this liability.

* The overall sentiment of tech people (even in communities like this one) was that internet services should behave like utilities, in spirit; I still believe this to be the right approach. It follows from that that whatever misuse of them made by end users should hold them liable and not the utility provider.


> All file sharing platforms had this exact problem. This was the problem back then. You could even find full length movies on YouTube quite easily. They were eventually removed, but it was a long, manual and tedious process. Even today, this is still not completely solved.

At Megaupload they were not eventually removed. At Megaupload the same physical file could be accessed by different URLs. When a rights holder reported the content Megaupload only made it so the specific URL no longer worked.

> If we are fair, Kim was not the one uploading the restricted content to Megaupload, neither encouraging it.

He was encouraging it. Top management of Megaupload had discussions specifically about encouraging more piracy and making it harder for rights holders to get infringing material removed.

They published list of the top downloads, but first checked them for pirated content and removed those items from the list. What purposed does that have other than trying to hide the infringement?


>At Megaupload they were not eventually removed.

This is not true. All DMCIA requests were properly addressed and the content removed.

They even had a dedicated page to submit these requests, years before YouTube and others did so.

>Top management of Megaupload had discussions specifically about encouraging more piracy and making it harder for rights holders to get infringing material removed.

I would like to see a source for this.


The source is internal emails and chat logs from Megaupload that were released as part of the case against them.




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