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I used to work in high-frequency trading. I had several tabs permanently open to the live weather radar feed for regions where we had microwave towers: the NE USA, the South of England, the Alps...


I used to be in an adjacent field and we used to joke about when the HFT guys were gonna get working on some neutrino detectors & sources to signal straight through the Earth. You could use them for science on the weekends!


Sounds awesome, to be able to send a signal directly through the whole earth from point to point. It also sounds like origin story of X-Men or a new cancer


Reminds me of Hubble and the NRO satellites and how Hubble was an extra that they didn’t need.


Honestly I'm half-surprised no-one has tried this yet.


I'm curious to know where your towers were. Do you know if they still exist? Were your microwave antennae co-located on other operators' towers (e.g. those for VHF radio), or did your company have towers all to itself?


Without going into anything confidential - we had some of our own hardware, but generally rented capacity from firms like [0]. Some towers were custom built for HFT, some were shared with other types of users.

A famous blog post investigating some of the towers as an outsider, at [1], will be of interest to you.

If you want to guess where they are, get a globe, find the datacentres where electronic exchanges operate (it's not a secret: Chicago, New Jersey, London, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Zurich...) and draw the straightest possible lines between pairs of them. Microwaves don't cross the ocean.

[0] https://www.mckay-brothers.com/

[1] https://sniperinmahwah.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/hft-in-my-ba...


Is the microwave setup quicker than going through fiber nowadays? I only mean in terms of latency.


Traditional optical fiber has glass in the middle. The speed of light in glass is only about 66% of the speed in air, so microwave is always faster if you can get a reasonably straight path for both.

There now exists hollow-core fiber, where the light travels down an air gap in the middle, which is theoretically competitive with microwaves/lasers/etc. How much this is being used is a secret, but microwave transmission definitely hasn't gone away.




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