"When applied correctly, good project management ends up better for everyone."

With good project management you can make any process work, be it waterfall, scrum, kanban or others. All dysfunction comes from people perpetuating processes that don't work. That's what agile was about originally.

> All dysfunction comes from people perpetuating processes that don't work. That's what agile was about originally.

Agile is far worse than anything I experienced earlier. It was pushed as some sort of dogma where you are a cranky non-teamplayer person for arguing it is a bad idea. A counter-revolutionary blocking utopia.

Giving non-programmers insight into every small tasks is a big mistake.

I hope you are correct. Finding companies with good project management has so far been quite elusive though. In my career I've had about eight project managers so far, six of which were in a scrum environment. Without exception the scrum PMs have not been effective at all.

I don't doubt that effective scrum management is theoretically possible, but based on personal experience and also by reading through the rest of this thread it seems that scrum is too difficult to do correctly for the vast majority of project managers.

haha, we started by following the scrum rules, some folks didn't think it is the way to go, sadly not everyone spoke out, because PM/PO thought it is useful from their perspective...

fortunately, over time, no sub team continued the way, it has mutated back to the kanban style more or less...