> Honestly I find the whole movement quite dreary if taken too seriously.
FIRE content is best consumed in tiny doses. You can get 95% of what you need to know from a few blog posts, the Bogleheads Wiki, and creating a simple spreadsheet of your financial planning. That’s it.
The problem is that FIRE has become a magnet for people who are miserable and think retirement will solve all of their problems. This subset of FIRE people see their job as the source of all of their misery and have glorified the idea of FIRE as the only escape hatch. They think they’ll be finally be happy just as soon as they can save enough money (from the job they hate) and reduce their expenses (by ruthlessly cutting spending, even on things they enjoy) until the lines intercept on their FIRE projections.
There are many people following a FIRE path who don’t fit this stereotype, but those people aren’t the ones hanging out on FIRE forums discussing FIRE all day. The people who obsess over FIRE and want to create threads to trash talk their neighbors who had the audacity to go on an expensive vacation or write about how little they spent on food last year by eating lentils every day are predominantly the ones talking about it all the time. There just isn’t much to talk about once you’ve identified a retirement equilibrium target and established a plan, so most of the reasonable participants don’t bother hanging out in the FIRE communities.
There are exceptions to everything, of course, but I found that most real-world FIRE people I know don’t want anything to do with internet FIRE communities or MMM.
Finances are something that should enable the life you want, not something that should become the primary focus of your discussions, readings, and online discourse all of the time.
> The problem is that FIRE has become a magnet for people who are miserable. This subset of FIRE people see their job as the source of all of their misery and have glorified the idea of FIRE as the only escape hatch.
Frankly I'm amazed that there are people who don't see their job as their primary source of misery. I mean, I can understand it on a logical level, I just can't empathize. When I take time off I get up every day and actually get to decide for myself what I want to do with it and that's amazing. Work doesn't permit me that. Instead I have to prioritize away most of the things I want to do and squeeze the rest in between the 8+ hour chunks of my time I'm forced to sell. I derive no meaning from my work, it simply exists to sustain me. I'd get a job with fewer hours, even with the significantly lower pay, but because I live in the US that's impossible if I also want to have decent healthcare.
> Frankly I'm amazed that there are people who don't see their job as their primary source of misery.
Wow, what a gloomy outlook. Have you really never, ever enjoyed your work or workplace? Your coworkers?
I certainly haven’t enjoyed every job or workplace, but I have a lot of fond memories of many workplaces and teams. I’ve had a lot of fun throughout my career and made some lasting friendships.
I suppose I’m in the opposite mindset: I’m amazed that there are people (in tech) who haven’t ever been able to find enjoyment in their work. We literally grew up to get paid to play on computers all day. There are plenty of opportunities out there to have a good time in this field, but they won’t necessarily fall into your lap.
> Wow, what a gloomy outlook. Have you really never, ever enjoyed your work or workplace? Your coworkers?
I enjoyed my part-time lab tutor job in college. I was paid $17/hr for <20hrs of work a week and largely just helped people understand their networking assignments when needed and otherwise did pretty much whatever the hell I wanted to do. The instructors who were my bosses were a lot of fun. I also got to help write curriculum and teach it to instructors at other schools, which is more fun than it sounds like.
Sadly, that job is not at all viable when one is no longer living with their parents and mooching off their healthcare.
I also liked the people I worked with at the school district enough to hang out with them after work, although we all did drink way way too much. The environment was terrible despite the people.
> I suppose I’m in the opposite mindset: I’m amazed that there are people (in tech) who haven’t ever been able to find enjoyment in their work. We literally grew up to get paid to play on computers all day.
Yeah, I have to wonder about people like you whenever I see a horrifically slow website laden with megs of javascript that is broken half the time. I don't get paid to "play" with computers at work, I get paid to keep infrastructure running and write programs that actually fulfill a business goal that isn't "farm users for ad revenue".
> There are plenty of opportunities out there to have a good time in this field
You wouldn't know it from reading the job ads. IT job ads make me want to kill myself.
FIRE content is best consumed in tiny doses. You can get 95% of what you need to know from a few blog posts, the Bogleheads Wiki, and creating a simple spreadsheet of your financial planning. That’s it.
The problem is that FIRE has become a magnet for people who are miserable and think retirement will solve all of their problems. This subset of FIRE people see their job as the source of all of their misery and have glorified the idea of FIRE as the only escape hatch. They think they’ll be finally be happy just as soon as they can save enough money (from the job they hate) and reduce their expenses (by ruthlessly cutting spending, even on things they enjoy) until the lines intercept on their FIRE projections.
There are many people following a FIRE path who don’t fit this stereotype, but those people aren’t the ones hanging out on FIRE forums discussing FIRE all day. The people who obsess over FIRE and want to create threads to trash talk their neighbors who had the audacity to go on an expensive vacation or write about how little they spent on food last year by eating lentils every day are predominantly the ones talking about it all the time. There just isn’t much to talk about once you’ve identified a retirement equilibrium target and established a plan, so most of the reasonable participants don’t bother hanging out in the FIRE communities.
There are exceptions to everything, of course, but I found that most real-world FIRE people I know don’t want anything to do with internet FIRE communities or MMM.
Finances are something that should enable the life you want, not something that should become the primary focus of your discussions, readings, and online discourse all of the time.