Vaxed and pro-vax, but I'm pretty opposed to this policy out of NYC. (And I suspect other cities soon). I'm personally a bit of a privacy nut so take that as you will, but open to changing my mind.
To have a different take than other people, I just don't know if this precedent is really one that we want to start, particularly if you are liberal/leftist.
For e.g. let's say we're at the beginning of the HIV epidemic, and the govt mandates a policy requiring you to have a negative HIV test in order to go-to any bar/restaurant etc or there are a bunch of private businesses that say they don't want to risk their patrons from getting HIV, so require a negative HIV test in order to enter, or even that their patrons are just uncomfortable being around people with HIV so they mandate it.
HIV patients aren't a protected class so it could happen and there's nothing anyone can do about it, yet I bet most of the people wanting these vaccine card mandates now would disagree with that policy.
Businesses being able to reject/accept customers can already run into some weird civil rights issues already, and it's strange that so many people who are ostensibly left wing are advocating for libertarian positions on what a business should be able to discriminate on, because it benefits their team this time.
How many people out there argued that a business should have to bake a gay wedding cake, b/c businesses shouldn't discriminate on your sexual preference, but think they should on your personal health decisions? (Which, since vaccines work means that patrons in that business who are vaccinated shouldn't be in any particular extra danger.)*
More frustrating is that if we want more people to be vaxxed there's many more things that we that aren't punitive, but probably don't feel as fair. (aka why did I get nothing for getting vaxed but XYZ got 100-1000$/lottery/free tickets whatever.) Since a large portion of the unvaxed aren't the Trumpian sterotype, but concerned with things like having to take days off of work to deal with side effects. [0]
* This discounts the generation of new variants outside the business, since this policy is ostensibly targeted at keeping patrons safe, not at being a pseudo-mandate for getting the vaccine.
You are not going to contract HIV from someone by standing in the same room as them. That is a very key difference.
There is plenty of discrimination among gay men when it comes to the possibility of contracting HIV, i.e. sexually. Many will require their partners to be on PrEP.
To have a different take than other people, I just don't know if this precedent is really one that we want to start, particularly if you are liberal/leftist.
For e.g. let's say we're at the beginning of the HIV epidemic, and the govt mandates a policy requiring you to have a negative HIV test in order to go-to any bar/restaurant etc or there are a bunch of private businesses that say they don't want to risk their patrons from getting HIV, so require a negative HIV test in order to enter, or even that their patrons are just uncomfortable being around people with HIV so they mandate it.
HIV patients aren't a protected class so it could happen and there's nothing anyone can do about it, yet I bet most of the people wanting these vaccine card mandates now would disagree with that policy.
Businesses being able to reject/accept customers can already run into some weird civil rights issues already, and it's strange that so many people who are ostensibly left wing are advocating for libertarian positions on what a business should be able to discriminate on, because it benefits their team this time.
How many people out there argued that a business should have to bake a gay wedding cake, b/c businesses shouldn't discriminate on your sexual preference, but think they should on your personal health decisions? (Which, since vaccines work means that patrons in that business who are vaccinated shouldn't be in any particular extra danger.)*
More frustrating is that if we want more people to be vaxxed there's many more things that we that aren't punitive, but probably don't feel as fair. (aka why did I get nothing for getting vaxed but XYZ got 100-1000$/lottery/free tickets whatever.) Since a large portion of the unvaxed aren't the Trumpian sterotype, but concerned with things like having to take days off of work to deal with side effects. [0]
0: https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-co...
* This discounts the generation of new variants outside the business, since this policy is ostensibly targeted at keeping patrons safe, not at being a pseudo-mandate for getting the vaccine.