> Android is the only reason Gradle is still relevant

And this small thing called Spring, maybe you heard about it? But yeah, other than that it is almost irrelevant, if you count Netflix, Adyen and thousands of other companies irrelevant.

Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven.

Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting.

Fortune 100 here. Gradle is the dominant Java build tool (thousands of projects). I haven't seen a single project move back to Maven. Some projects are moving to Bazel, but that's not a walk in the park either.

This Fortune 100 on this side doesn't do Gradle other than for Android, I am yet to see a JEE, SAP, LifeRay or AEM project using Gradle in production.

That must be why you are so misinformed about Gradle.

And you about Maven, thankfully I don't have to touch Gradle beyond Android builds.

When Fuchsia finally happens, not even that.

> Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven

What do you mean "usable with Maven"? They've migrated to Gradle because Maven wasn't cut for the task anymore.

> Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting.

Sorry, but products are far more credible to me than sweatshops that exist to milk other businesses.

Again, Spring is usable with Maven as it ever was.

Pivotal is always chasing the latest fad in Java community as means to attract developers, almost every JVM guest language and build system has at a given time had Spring first class support, then it was removed when it stopped being cool.

Sorry, but Netflix could be using Brainfuck and it wouldn't affect anything outside their building, without any relevant meanint to the actual quality of their product.

If anything it just proves that Netflix is able to deliver despite the tooling they happen to choose.