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No amount of "economic anxiety" justifies an explicitly undemocratic coup attempt where people were running around looking to scalp democratically elected leaders.

There are real ills in society, but - ignoring that republican voters are significantly uninformed about things like the party's support for healthcare, e.g. Efforts to scrap Obamacare largely hurt poor Trump voters - that doesn't excuse them from the fact that they've swallowed the Trump Koolaid and taken part in a coup.

And besides, if you want to talk about society failing them - were there any black people in the Capitol?



Why are you and another reply quoting "economic anxiety" when that was never a claim I made? I'm talking about the total contempt you and others seem to have when talking about these people. If you think they are misinformed and have been misled, cool, let's reach out and try to help get them back on the golden path, but all I see is insult-slinging and you're still doing it.


They're supposed to be scare quotes rather than a direction quotation.

Economic Anxiety is often bandied around by people trying to justify often beyond-fascist behaviour as if morality is solely determined by money.


But burning cities all summer is acceptable?

Or taking over downtown city blocks for months...


Nice strawman... I don't think either of those things were acceptable either.

Quite frankly lumping in all of the protests over the summer, for example the one The Donald had tear gassed, with the looting that largely took place after dark is really saying the quiet part out loud.

If they'd protested outside the Capitol not in it, I'd be more sympathetic, even if they were campaigning for the end of American Democracy.


No straw man. A double standard.


Double standard?

How many white men were strangled to death on camera, pleading "I can't breathe!"?[0]

How many white women were murdered in their bedrooms after their apartment was stormed on a dubious-at-best, no-knock warrant? [1]

Now, how many violent, white insurrectionists are getting slap-on-the-wrist misdemeanors for breaching our nation's sanctum sanctorum? [2][3][4]

Yeah, there's a double standard. It's white supremacy.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Breonna_Taylor

[2] https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2021/01/syracuse-man-arrested...

[3] https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/jenny-cudd-fbi-arres...

[4] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/most-of-the-arrests-...


How's this for a double standard: a group of mostly-white "protestors" can storm the US federal government with minimal opposition from law enforcement, resulting in essentially one death. Meanwhile, black men and women live with an entirely reasonable fear that any interaction with law enforcement, no matter how benign the circumstances might be, could easily end in their death.


Which I didn't mention. You raised I point that I didn't comment on even tangentially and argued against that instead.


Those things happened happened for a reason - specifically yet another public murder by the police which was posted online as a video for the delight of racists everywhere.

There is no justification for the fact that imprisonment and murder of black people by the police happens, and is encouraged, to a completely disproportionate extent in the US.

It's also well understood that imprisonment in the US is run on a for-profit basis not dissimilar to slavery, and some judges have gone to prison for corrupt sentencing.

These police actions are immoral, unjust, and just plain nasty, and the best way to stop having your cities set on fire is to stop them happening.

This shouldn't be hard to understand, but in a country which has areas which are only just getting over Jim Crow and lynchings the connection between institutionally abusing some people and having them fight back seems to be too much of a reach for some of the population.

So these riots occur predictably after every avoidable trigger event. And they will continue to happen until that lesson is learned.

This is completely different to an entitled middle income mob of COS-playing couch heroes storming the political centre of the US and making credible threats against elected representatives inside it - after a speech by the president which inflamed the mob, and after a campaign of lies by the president which threatened the foundation of electoral integrity.

All very possibly at the behest of a hostile foreign power.

That's simple textbook domestic terrorism. It has no excuse or justification, and it's naive and misleading to suggest the two are somehow equivalent.


> These police actions are immoral, unjust, and just plain nasty, and the best way to stop having your cities set on fire is to stop them happening.

That is, by definition, actual terrorism. Attacking a civilian population to achieve a political goal. It doesn't matter how awesome or not your goal is.

You're going to find the same issue with that approach that most violent people do - people resist and fight back. Several rioters have already found out that lesson.

> This is completely different to an entitled middle...

No, not really. Insurrectionists will also discover their nonsense will not be tolerated.

> it's naive and misleading to suggest the two are somehow equivalent.

Stop using violence to achieve political ends. See? Easy.




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