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The Utopian Origins of Cubicles (thenewatlantis.com)
14 points by lurkage on June 6, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 26 comments


Joel Spolsky (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/04/13.html) has a more convincing explanation for why cubicles are so popular.

As far as the IRS is concerned, improving your office space is not a business expense, so you can't deduct it; the most you can do is depreciate the cost over time and take the depreciation as an expense. If you build walls to create separate offices, you have to depreciate the cost over forty years. If you buy cubicles and install them, you can depreciate the cost over only seven years. If you lease the cubicles, the monthly lease is considered a business expense, and you can deduct all of it right away.


I have experienced only 2 kinds of effective workspace, a private office and sharing a large room with my coworkers. Cubicles are neither.

I always likened them to jail cells where you still have to pay for your own lunch.


I dunno, I prefer cubicles to open space. Some privacy is better than no privacy at all.


"I prefer cubicles to open space."

You'd think so.

I'm just remembering the projects where we got the most done. Which were also the most fun (go figure).

One was a 20 x 15 room with 4 desks and a white board.

Another was one big table with 4 of us facing each other. (When I had to be alone, I went out to my RV in the parking lot.)

Another was a conference room with a long table and a bunch of laptops.

We used to call these "war rooms".

(Why is it when we really have to get something done, we throw each other together in a "war room". The rest of the time, we sit in soulless offices and cubicles?)


To each his own of course, but to me they offer just enough privacy to breed mistrust, and just enough exposure to feed paranoia.

It's hard to tease out a central thesis from this article, but I think I would focus on the claim that offices are part of a bureaucratic system that is slowed by paperwork, and that pushing people together encourages them to wander over and chat about work rather than constantly draft memos. I think that view is out of date, in the age of email and IM. Cubicles divide people enough that they don't feel like they're side-by-side on a team, yet distract technical workers and break their concentration.


>the invention of double-entry bookkeeping, calculators, and spreadsheets are unlikely material for a captivating History Channel feature

i disagree completely. double-entry and calculators fundamentally changed society.


Indeed, Double Entry is one of those fundamental shifts in business that helped to reshape the economy in untold ways. our entire financial system is build on it.


The BBC show "The Secret Life of Machines" did an excellent episode on the history of the office space. They're even hosted online for free! Scroll down to the second last episode.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/SLOM/

I recommend watching them all. Great stuff.


"...the average office space per worker in the United States dropped from 250 square feet in 2000 to 190 square feet in 2005."

Wow, two-hundred and fifty square feet on average!

I can feel my ego shriveling as I twist in my chair, taking in a panoramic view of my allocated 7 x 7.


7x7? What luxury! Here in 8x6 land, we can't even dream of what we could put in that extra square foot.


"What size cells are these? Eight by eight? Ours are nine by nine... no big deal."

(pin the quote on the movie)


pinned: Super Troopers

Heh. Cells. Cubes. Same diff.


Those numbers aren't for cubicle size, they are for (the whole office) / (# of employees). So don't feel too bad about your 7 x 7, as long as you have a nice bathroom, canteen, etc.


"as long as you have a nice bathroom, canteen, etc."

Screwed.


My cubicle is 'en-suite'.

Oh wait! It's not?!?!?


I like how sometimes fancy words are used to describe not so fancy things.


I assume the average includes corridors, common areas et cetera.



An utopian ideal for equality goes horribly wrong in practice. Not the first time that's happened, is it...

The interesting question is - what will come after cubicles?


Telecommuting.


Sounds vaguelly like the "shopping mall" envisioned by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gruen

He wanted to recreate the downtown of a typical European city, but it ended up as "lots of stores packed together", and he eventually gave up and moved back to Europe, disappointed with the whole thing.


Ok, its hard to resist posting this here: http://www.breitbart.tv/html/108653.html

Its a cubicle working going beserk, caught on tape, destroying part of the office.


I hate cubicles.

You get no privacy (noise), yet you're isolated from others.


Reader Alert

The New Atlantis is quietly a very conservative publication. Just FYI.


Like socialism, their heart was in the right place...


Cubilcles are frustrating - no freedom, just cells, cells, cells with people inside...




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