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I feel the same way. I fail to see what is useful about it or what problem it solves.

It gets people to waste money on API costs.

And ironically, it has also gotten far less pretty. Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger was beautiful. Tahoe is flat and generic looking.

Oh yes. Alt+right click + drag. How intuitive. (not)

Learnability and usability are related but independent concepts. This feature is difficult to find out about unless told, relatively easy to remember once you first learn about it, and very intuitive once you try it out. Dragging from the corner is slightly easier to stumble upon or infer, but most people will learn about it because they were told about it. The alt drag version (both for resizing and moving windows around without having to go to the title bar) is in addition, becomes second nature quickly and is significantly nicer once you learn it.

This has to be sarcasm. Either that or you have never used KDE or Gnome even once in your life. No DE for Linux is anywhere near as polished as the DE in Mac OS. You have to spend hours customizing KDE or CFCE to get them to function even halfway near what an average user would expect. Gnome is okay but so bloated and even more opinionated than MacOS or Windows.

This is definitely not the case, and I invite anyone reading this comment to install a Linux distribution themselves in a VM or something to find out via direct experience. Fedora is a good place to start in my opinion.

Window management mostly works fine, but app design is years behind.

KDE Dolphin has a static toolbar like Finder, with its config menu being two lists like some Microsoft toolbars, and the available items list is sorted alphabetically.

The flat view switcher is multiple separate items, named directly after their corresponding view type, one called list, another called icons and so on.

So if you want a Finder style view switcher, you first need to know it exists beforehand because the naming is confusing, then you need to know how many views are available beforehand because they're separate items, and finally you need to hunt them down because the list is alphabetical.

This is pretty much the quality you can expect when using KDE software.

Another example is breadcrumbs, the current folder doesn't have an arrow, so you can't browse deeper with it without perhaps expanding folders, unlike on Windows 7. Side bar favourites also replace the top folder, so if you browse the home folder with it you'll often find yourself suddenly unable to use it.


Same experience. The 2009 version of Eclipse was more stable than modern XCode. And that’s saying something.


Oh that’s a flash from the past. For what it’s worth, Eclipse was a better experience for me than Netbeans..

Nowadays all my development work happens in vim and I’ve happily not opened an editor like IntelliJ or VS Code in 5+ years.


What about when the farmer and the carpenter are replaced by machines?


So much the better?


It will have to eventually. If the current rate of technological advancement continues, it is only a matter of time before every job will be automated. What would we do then if there is no UBI?


Die (say the exploitative elite). What is your answer to that? Don't try fighting them because they control the government and power. (Just saying it from their pov.)


You guys still have jobs???


Gastown also had a supervisor “mayor”. How is this one different?


I don’t get it. You can do that with the Claude app or ChatGPT too. What’s the value add?

Edit: oh I see. It’s local. So privacy. Quite a good value add actually.


What privacy? If you're using ChatGPT or Claude, your chats are still logged.


It's local, meaning it uses local models, what they said in the sentence prior to the privacy one.


Unless you have unusually powerful hardware, local models will unfortunately currently not really cut it for Moltbot.


OP implied they have powerful enough hardware, since Kimi runs on their computer, so that is why they mentioned it is local. That it doesn't work for most people has no relation to what OP of this thread said. Regardless, you don't need an Opus level model, you can use a smaller one that'll just be slower at getting back to you, it's all asynchronous anyway compared to a coding agent where some level of synchronicity is expected.


GGP seem to be under the misapprehension that privacy is a core aspect/advantage of OpenClaw, when for most users it's really not.

So yes, I think the majority user experience is very relevant.


This thread is about giving one's opinions on their personal experiences with the tool, so the OP of the thread can say whatever they want, it doesn't mean they think it's at all related to the "majority user experience" nor do they have to cater their opinions towards that.


GLM 4.7-flash does very well although OpenClaw has some work to do for CoT.


From what I've read, OpenClaw only truly works well with Opus 4.5.


The latest Kimi model is comparable in performance at least for these sorts of use cases, but yes it is harder to use locally.


> harder to use locally

Which means most people must be using OpenClaw connected to Claude or ChatGPT.


It's the other way around. At least for most people, it grants access to your personal data to an LLM (and by extension its inference provider) in the cloud.


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