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The headline says “Gnome dev” not just “Gnome”.


Yeah, but the lead makes it seem like an organisational decision:

> Ever since Linux got a graphical desktop, you could middle-click to paste – but if GNOME gets its way, that's going away soon, and from Firefox too.

But who knows, maybe it is a team decision, I don't know the internals or Jordan Petridis' role outside of "gnome dev".


pornjizzer is offended by “damn it”?


This is the funniest comment of its type that I've ever seen.


How did Democratic insiders prevent other candidates from running in the primaries?


Dean Phillips was a candidate who tried running against Biden in the primaries. I'll link to him talking about his experience in congress and how he felt that the Democratic Party retaliated against him for running: https://youtu.be/1hh8lcoJ1NA?feature=shared&t=1308

And here's him on twitter reacting to the news of Biden standing down: https://x.com/deanbphillips/status/1815145481674358843


So nothing specific? They were mad at him?

And Dean Phillips did run in the primary, so again, nobody stopped him. Biden defeated him.


Pretty much. He ran in the primaries, they were mad at him, he lost his committee memberships and is no longer seeking re-election to congress, he speculates that this attitude from within the party is why no one else seriously ran against Biden.

I'm not alleging a grand conspiracy or anything. It just seems like internal party politics and personal incentives led to the democratic party ultimately ending up with a nominee that people aren't excited about (who I will vote for anyway).


There is a word for stuff like this when it happens in companies. It's on the tip of my tongue.


Damn. I was wondering why my tickets from Juliaca to Lima were so expensive.


Consider how much less you have to work if you don't have kids.


He’s talking about analytics. https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics


It's an euphemism, just like "telemetry" and "metrics".


Do you really feel like what they’re collecting is “spying on you” though?

They’re collecting errors and statistics to make the product better. It’s all anonymous and you can turn it off.

If it were Facebook ads, I’d be more sympathetic. But it’s automated bug reporting…


It’s not anonymous, it includes the client IP address as well as a permanent supercookie unique identifier. Coupled along with client IP geolocation, this leaks your travel history to the server. It does so silently when you install packages, just like any other spyware.

The problem is an ethical one: just because they made software does not entitle them to the information about what does or does not happen on a machine that they do not own without the informed consent of the owner or operator of that machine. Assuming consent and opting the user in automatically is the issue.

Anything other than advance, informed consent is just spying.

Debian has figured it out. Why do other open source projects have such a hard time understanding consent?


Homebrew says they ask before sending telemetry and you can say no…

And you’re sending your IP address all over the internet. Is Hacker News violating your privacy because they have a log an incoming requests?

It’s not like Homebrew is identifying YOU by name or cross referencing the UUID on your machine to advertise to you…

I just think it’s hard to appreciate how much work it takes to build quality software. And automated reporting really helps!

Living in a “trustless” world is a myth.


They don’t ask before, it happens without consent. The problem is claiming it’s anonymous when it’s not. Loading hacker news is also not anonymous. Calling something anonymous when it transmits your IP address is factually incorrect.


I just think it’s hard to appreciate how much work it takes to build quality software. And automated reporting really helps!

It sounds like Homebrew has its own reality distortion field, to be able to produce such pure unadulterated self-congratulatory BS like that.

As someone who had the unfortunate experience of having to try it once and interact with the "community", I am not surprised to see that it's still a bubble of delusion lead by someone trying to emulate Apple's cult.


I'm a fan of lihaoyi's response to similar tracking accusations.

> It's on by default. If you don't like that, turn it off. Or stop using Ammonite if you want to make a philosophical statement. I don't make any money off any of you, so I won't be particularly sad to see anyone go.

https://www.reddit.com/r/scala/comments/6irnix/about_ammonit...


And by supercookie, do you mean this UUID? https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/commit/57844530a94d5686029c...


Yes, he does and, as you noted: it was removed.

We also always requested for Google to never store the IP address and now we run our own analytics infrastructure we definitely do not store it at all.

sneak just has a grudge against Homebrew because we blocked them for going on and on about this so they resort to ranting on Hacker News instead every time Homebrew is mentioned.


You are confused, despite my having explained many times. Your misrepresentation seems like bad faith. The Upton Sinclair quote comes to mind.

My issue is with all people who ship spyware; it is unethical. It’s nothing specific to Homebrew (sadly) and it’s not a grudge.

Lots of people would turn it off if they realized it was spying on them. The problem is people who assume consent and co-opt computers that do not belong to them to spy on users and exfiltrate data that isn’t theirs. They think that being volunteers or making f/oss entitles them to act unethically.

Opt-in consent is fine. These authors don’t use it because they secretly know that if they asked outright, most people would say no.

Seriously, it’s not any personal grudge against your project (and didn’t know until this moment that you had blocked me): Mattermost, VSCode, NetData, CapRover, and a thousand others also behave in such an unethical manner. It’s shameful, and it should be illegal.

Many people don’t know about it (as evidenced by sibling comments in this thread) and obviously should. This is a failure of the project that spreading public awareness about helps.

I would love to see the f/oss community abandon projects that are run in such an unethical manner. Nixpkgs on macOS, for example, doesn’t spy on you. (Neither do the package managers in the Linuxen you can replace macOS with.)


You're hijacking the term "ethical" to present yourself as morally superior. Many people don't think they're behaving unethically, and I think you're of the minority opinion.

> Many people don’t know about it and obviously should.

If people did know, what would be the consequence? What tangible difference would it make in anyone's life?


Morals are subjective, ethics are not. The fact that they are behaving unethically is not an opinion.


I think “make redundant” in this context means “fire”.


Agreed, but this is such a red flag that a commenter is not thinking critically. Do they really think we quadrupled the money supply in a short time? And the only effect was 10% inflation? Usually that would disprove all of their other assumptions about the relationship between the money printer and inflation.


Yes, M1 money supply did quadruple in a short time, you can see it on one of the FED banks site:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

Fortunately, the result was "asset inflation", i.e. most of that money went to stock market raising stock prices. That's why consumer goods inflation was so low.


This is false, and is explained by the block of text below that chart. The definition of M1 was changed. Notice the addition of savings and money market accounts.

Thank you for demonstrating the lack of critical thinking I was describing.

> Before May 2020, M1 consists of (1) currency outside the U.S. Treasury, Federal Reserve Banks, and the vaults of depository institutions; (2) demand deposits at commercial banks (excluding those amounts held by depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign banks and official institutions) less cash items in the process of collection and Federal Reserve float; and (3) other checkable deposits (OCDs), consisting of negotiable order of withdrawal, or NOW, and automatic transfer service, or ATS, accounts at depository institutions, share draft accounts at credit unions, and demand deposits at thrift institutions.

> Beginning May 2020, M1 consists of (1) currency outside the U.S. Treasury, Federal Reserve Banks, and the vaults of depository institutions; (2) demand deposits at commercial banks (excluding those amounts held by depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign banks and official institutions) less cash items in the process of collection and Federal Reserve float; and (3) other liquid deposits, consisting of OCDs and savings deposits (including money market deposit accounts). Seasonally adjusted M1 is constructed by summing currency, demand deposits, and OCDs (before May 2020) or other liquid deposits (beginning May 2020), each seasonally adjusted separately.


There's also the book Mazes for Programmers for writing your own.

http://www.mazesforprogrammers.com/


I don’t think they wait very long. I used Lyft recently and they only combined charges within a single day.


If that's the case I can't see it being an issue, but I could see it being one if the timeline was stretched to something like a week.


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