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No. Hubris is wearing a tshirt to an interview


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I'm not sure what's behind this account's commenting history about dress, but it's repetitive and has frequently violated the site guidelines, so please don't.

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> Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about.

In this context, I took hubris as paradoxical since the end result is a good quality (and well maintained) software program.


Exactly bro! Now keep on rocking in the free world and understand that hubris alone does not a good programmer make but a good programmer is hubristic. Therefore hubris is a poor heuristic no matter what any tech bro tells you.

Therefore you should at least make an effort to dress up for an interview because you never know if it's your last chance to make any sort of impression.

And let your hubris shine that way instead of choosing the casual path that every other one will certainly choose.

Edit: of course this argument is lost on all the beautiful minds who spare no effort at shabby chic


This reminds me of https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Gobble_Gobble_Go...

Relevant quote: "As soon as the guy walked into the room, I knew it was going to be problematic, because he seemed extremely straight-laced and uptight, dressing more like an insurance salesman than a technologist."

Jobs was an ass, but Andy had a point: dressing correctly depends on the context. The idea of dressing "up" or "down" as if it was a single axis was never correct, and is even less nowadays.


I find it’s a good acid test.

If that’s not acceptable, I probably don’t want to work there.


Bro, people don't have any opinions of their own they just pick them up along the way. Think about it.


> Bro, people don't have any opinions of their own they just pick them up along the way. Think about it.

Isn’t that true about what you’re saying here? If you don’t have any why spread it as if it’s yours?


You're just saying that cuz you heard it somewhere.


And you've picked the wrong ones.


you knock the humble tshirt?


An interview is nothing but a glorified prisoners dilemma aka cooperation dilemma.

Signalling that you're taking the path of least resistance aka snitching is hardly ingenious.

And you call yourself a software professional!


Your goodbye message in your profile made me lol in real life.

Nothing is serious, but maybe you already get it and forgot the /sarcasm at the end of the monologue.

Don’t leave, stick around.


I've worn these clothes every day for the past five years. That probably identifies me directly if you've worked with me

-> https://twitter.com/matthewwalther/status/128234456305575526...

Best clothing there ever has been for being a professional program writer, hands down.


"What a billionaire CEO is telling you when he shows up to a shareholder meeting in a hooded sweatshirt or athleisure wear that costs more than most people's mortgage is that your sense of dignity means nothing to him: he is above you no matter how both of you are dressed."

Could not have said it any better


I think I've scraped the bottom of the barrel of YouTube content and ads, the worst are these Japanese weight loss commercials.

How's your situation, are you still learning and pursuing your own journey? I can totally relate to the feeling of being out of work but I believe strongly that our work is a calling and we must listen to our intuition on the journey to mastery of our art.


Yeah, those 5-min infomercials are nightmare.

I am learning to be an independent content producer if that's a thing. But I have family and there's constant self-imposed pressure to pursue a regularly paid job. I am juggling between job applications and making things at the moment. I guess I really need to talk to people and think it through.

Your kind words give me a lot of support I need. Thank you.


Hey! Welcome to reach out to me, let's have a virtual cup of tea or coffee -- my email is on my profile page


-- Incumbency’s biggest drawbacks are lack of creativity, sloth, internecine politics and waste.

And an utter disregard for traditional business mores


We have a far too narrow view of what constitutes social media.

Every medium is a social one if you think about it and every social medium is political.

The medium has and always will be the message and when you get to the core you understand the message is simply the audience.

Do you think "primitive" civilizations compared to ours didn't have social media before the advent of the tweet?

They were operating on levels we haven't even begun to understand in our foolish pride.

We're as primitive as we were at the invention of electric light and our technological advancements have outpaced our morality. We're just amplifying the hysteria and confusion with our automated algorithms and always-on engagement and now every poor schmuck has a voice where once it was limited to the elites. You should be grateful that Twitter has democratized the inane blatherings of the proletariat to drown out the voices of so called authority.


Not all purpose of communication is political.

1. Information dissemination

2. Coordination

3. Persuasion

4. Feedback gathering

5. Social grooming (jokes, status updates, needs ...)

6. Artistic self-expression

All these are fairly reasonable in any social media.

Conflicting communication via threads is where they fail. Trolling is as old as threads.


Social and political are synonyms my dude but yes not all communication is political but all communication is social.


The article links to a demo on the BBC micro which is simply mindblowing - https://youtu.be/oK2D1EdFXMM


100%. The bank I used to work at had a part of the employee handbook dedicated to what happens if you're kidnapped. We're just being naive and casual as we are wont to do. Bro don't worry have another free granola bar.

And in fact one of the devs was poached by a shady bunch of foreign looking suits who would have fit right in with big brother.

In all fairness you have a split second between the light coming on and the video stream initializing to err hide your shame. What are you doing in front of your computer with no pants on? Naked yoga?


120%. I used to work in an industry where a developer was killed in a drive-by shooting, after he reported certain code to the regulatory agency.

Generally speaking - as developers type away on their packet handling or authentication code, they all too naively believe they won't be a target of a new friend or bribe.


The irony of this is too much. The guy who pioneered privacy invasion as a philosophy is guarding his own privacy. He should have a Facebook live stream following him 24/7


Ever considered that everyone is doing everything all wrong and you're just feeding into the frenzy?

That's where I've come as a professional. I couldn't give a fuck any more about anyone's problems and I've learned that it has everything to do with creating pathways for people to communicate.

People are difficult creatures and academia has made us into basket cases unable to tie our own shoelaces without help from someone who will evaluate us and dangle a carrot in front of us for the effort.

How about getting over yourself with your corporate lorem ipsum and use the technology at your disposal to fix this dumpster fire of a planet we've made for ourselves?


Software isn't going to fix the planet. That was all bullshit to make rich people feel better about taking most of the USD funny-money. Strong centralized planning in the form of a functioning government, structured around resilience, erring ever on the side of direct democracy, fluid representation, and lifting economic victims over perpetrators in power is what will fix the planet. It's common sense. The software will simply be reduced, so people stop building the same thing over and over: it's stupid, always has been, and the cries for more devs were always just to make it cheaper and more disposable.


No! It's all the knowledge we've amassed that we hardly put to any use beyond milking it for entitlements.

Who ever speaks about our duty to our fellow man and the giants whose shoulders we stand on?

I blame a lack of classical education on this performance based meritocracy that's become a runaway train with no ethical brakes.


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