This is my biggest fear wrt gov't search-and-seizure. I know the police won't be able to get at my juicy encypted bits, but I also know they're vindictive basterds who'll be held to no accountability. Of course they'll wipe my drives just to get revenge for me "winning" by having blocked their access.
>I got lazy with your responses and just threw in a few bullet points to AI
This should legit be a permabannable offense. That is titanically disrespectful of not just your discussion partner, but of good discussion culture as a whole.
I'm on your side in this argument (approximately; asking what ethics even is and where it comes from can be productive but shouldn't conclude "and therefore AI agents working with humans don't need to integrate a human moral sense" -- at least that'd be a really bad conclusion to humanity as AI scales up).
Can't recommend letting an LLM write for you directly, though. I found myself skipping your third paragraph in the reply above.
Yeah but nobody is gonna read it if they waded through five paragraphs of insubstantial LLM slop from you before. You betrayed the trust of everyone reading that post, wasting their time, energy and quite frankly making us feel a little dirty for reading in good faith what turned out to be something you put zero effort into generating and took us a lot of effort to read. Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me and all that.
This is exactly, genuinely, 100% what I was talking about when I said you were being direspectful of good discussion culture. You're turning it from high-trust into low-trust and soon nobody will be reading any comment longer than two sentences by default.
People absolutely "torture" babies for their own enjoyment. It's just "in good fun", so you don't think about it as "torture", you think of it as "teasing". Cognitive blind spot. People do tons of things that are displeasant or emotionally painful to their children to see the child's funny or interesting reaction. It serves an evolutionary purpose even, challenging the child. "Mothers stroke and fathers poke" and all that.
People smother their infants to stop them from crying in order to have some quiet. Causing physical harm for their own satisfaction. I mean shit, if we're going there, people sexually abuse their children for their own gratification.
While I don't subscribe to universal "moral absolutes" either, I think this doesn't counter the argument. I don't think even the people you describe would claim their own acts as moral.
But if only one person feels that way, wouldn't it no longer be universal? I genuinely believe there has to be one person out there who would think it is moral.
(I'm just BSing on the internet... I took a few philosophy classes so if I'm off base or you don't want to engage in a pointless philosophical debate on HN I apologize in advance.)
There will always be individual differences, whether they be obstinate or altered brain chemistry, so I'd probably argue that as long as it's universal across cultures, any individual within one culture believing/claiming to believe different wouldn't change that. (But I'm just a hobby philosopher as well)
> I think there are effectively universal moral standards, which essentially nobody disagrees with.
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> I don't think you are using "torture" in the same sense as I am.
Just throwing this out here, you haven't even established "Universal Moral Standards", not to mention needing it to do that across all of human history. And we haven't even addressed the "nobody disagrees with" issue you haven't even addressed.
I for one can easily look back on the past 100 years and see why "universal moral standards, which essentially nobody disagrees with" is a bad argument to make.
They're all about saying things that apply broadly enough, in a way that makes them seem specific, in order to make people go "Wow, that's dead-on!" An example:
You’ve recently been feeling a quiet tension between wanting stability and craving some kind of change. On the surface, things look mostly under control, but there’s a sense that one small adjustment—something you’ve been postponing—could shift your mood more than you expect.
See also: Cold Reading
(What I'm saying is calling 30-35 "dead on" makes you look like somebody who is easily impressed by parlour tricks)
I only asked ChatGPT to guess my age because I'm assuming OpenAI is going to have the LLM assume your age going forward, which is an interesting use of the technology. Rather than ask up front, it just guesses based on the utilization of the tool. I understand "dead-on" may have been the wrong use of the term, let's just say it was fairly accurate...
I probably would be impressed by a good parlour trick or an accurate horoscope. Lmao
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